"PotCS: Lineage and Legend"

[vladsimpaler]

This thread is devoted to "Lineage and Legend", and idea that I had for the name (and theme) of this set.

So, what would this set have?

On the Lineage side, of course there will be descendants (and ancestors) of famous crew in the game, for example Comandanta Luys de Alva's son Victor de Alva.

On the Legend side, there will be a hint of supernatural, like Ghost Ships. And then there will be famous historical crew. So in this sense, Legend is used in both of its meanings.

Personally, I think that there should be an even mix of historical and fictional.

So perhaps 45% fictional and historical, with 10% of the set going towards Supernatural.

Supernatural could either be events, Unique Treasure, or crew and ships.

Each nation should get an even mix of fictional and historical, but not every nation should get supernatural. Most supernatural stuff goes to the Pirates.

[cannonfury]

there are no cursed, right? and yes, i believe the majority of events, UT, and some crew should have some kind of supernatural feeling to them, it makes the game fun, but not when theres too much

[vladsimpaler]

Correct, there are going to be no Cursed.

If we did Super Rares, maybe. Just mabe.

And I agree, too much of anything is a bad thing. That's why I'm trying to make it as balanced as possible so that it will appeal to everyone but at the same time doing justice to the first couple of sets.

[cannonfury]

maybe cursed as a limited edition kind of thing, or a few crew thrown in there that can be on pirate ships (like some crew were cursed) so that past cursed ships can have new crew, but no new cursed ships will be neccsessary

[vladsimpaler]

Or perhaps some crew could get the Black Mark keyword.

[lord_denton]

Aye, an easy way to expand on the Cursed would be with the Black Mark, a relativly untapped keyword in my opinion. If could give them so much, but it is a mere afterthought as it stands.

[vladsimpaler]

Definitely, I agree.

Something fascinating for a Unique Treasure would be the treasure of Captain Kidd.

You can read a bit about it here: www.curbstone.org/index.cfm?webpage=86

Here's a fascinating one:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleuche

Caleuche, 3 points
Masts: 2
Cargo: 1
Speed: S+S
Cannons: 6S 6S
Abilities:Ghost Ship. This ship cannot carry crew. You may choose to remove this ship from the game for 2 turns. Then, you may place the ship in any legal position on the board. Whenever one of your ships unloads gold and this ship is in play, add +1 to one of that ship's gold pieces.

[cannonfury]

i've heard of that ship! thats awesome, definitely it should be in ;D

[admiralb]

haha! so have I...my Calueche had the Wraith/Capt Davy Jones ability...and of course Ghost Ship except mine was Spanish and 4-masted...I made a pretty sweet art for it before my computer crashed...purple hull with green mist sails...I entered it in Wk's design contest, but it wasn't selected obviously...I might have to remake it for the Mt design contest...

oh, and Black Mark would be a really interesting way to start the Cursed...or restart the Cursed...if there are any truly Cursed pieces keep them to SR/LE and no more then 2 ships and 1 crew like regular SR packs...maybe a new Master Scribe before he became Cursed...hmm...SR pack...non-Cursed Celestine, non-Cursed Master Scribe, 4-5 mast non-Cursed ship that has Cursed undertones...Revenant maybe? What was Master Scribe's real name? maybe we make him under that name instead of Master Scribe to avoid legal issues (if any) that may exist with using existing characters...oh, and of course give him Black Mark.

hmm...crew that would probably have descendants that would make interesting crew...

-Alarico Castro: his kid is fiercly loyal to Spain to Alarico's dismay...developed a rivalry in the family that could tear the Spanish fleet apart...maybe the kid is siding with El Duque Rafael against Alarico Castro...black sheep of the Castro family shunned because of his betrayal of his own father...
-Dupuy and Madame LaFontaine: read the flavor, its possible and only needs hints of certain things the make you think it..."illegitimate child of the famous Admiral Dupuy residing in New Orleans acting as a spy" or something...has potential for an interesting story and game piece.
-Lady Baptiste...she probably has a kid since its been hinted at that she's been involved with Guy LaPlante and through Guy's flavor text, possibly even Montana Mays...interesting Hostile/Loyal combinations to ensue.
-Jules Arnaud was the Hag of Tortuga's nephew...what if he had a kid? would that kid have similar influence over sea creatures? and what relationship does Jules Arnaud share with Leander Arnaud? brothers? cousins? father and son?
-Jack Hawkins...we all know he has children, we just have never known for certain who those children are...maybe explore that.
-Griffin...and/or Rhys Gryffyn Owen...are they one in the same or are they father and son...what would happen if they met up again?
-Kat-sura Chan...did she ever find her beloved American sailor? what happened? has possibilities for interesting American/Jade Rebellion cross-over.
-Yeshaji and Kanhoji Angria...they need more backstory...maybe they left their remaining fortune to their children who are now aggressively going after the English for destroying their family's dynasty.

[cannonfury]

Jack Hawkins could have Jim Hawkins from treasure island as his son, that would be pretty cool to see a combination of stories like that

[marhawkman]

Are we gonna do Vikings? *has Norse ancestry*

Runestones would make for neat treasures. And I don't mean pebbles with runes scratched on them.... I mean the BIG ones: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runestone

Hehe... some of them weighed multiple tons. And of course the weird (to most people) inscriptions kinda evoke the realm of the supernatural.

[lord_denton]

Aug 22, 2009 20:35:01 GMT -5 marhawkman said:

Are we gonna do Vikings?

We don't even know if anything is going to get printed.

[vladsimpaler]

True that.

I don't want to do any Vikings personally, but I wouldn't mind a Runestone as a treasure.

:edit: Here's some crew I wouldn't mind seeing, keep in mind that it is okay to do eldery figures.

An eldery Tariq the Black. I only want this because I got him in my first pack, so this is pure nostalgia. Plus he is an interesting crew!

The Inquisitor. He should already be dead but he's not.

Lord Mycron's illegitimate child. However I don't want to see this set filled with illegitimate sons/daughters so perhaps this isn't best.

Hermoine Gold, much older and more experienced. Perhaps a little more mellow.

Montana Mays (just kidding )

Sean "Cannonball" Gallows- Now old, shattered, and defeated, his pain is all too evident on his old and wrinkled face. I could see him getting the Santana ability, or something to that regard.

[admiralb]

Gallows could be like all those beaten down pirates in the third PotC movie...one last hurray for the aged legend...maybe a new weird ability for him where he can sacrifice himself to give a fleet action...could be interesting...maybe in addition to the Santana "+1" ability...

Inquisitor sounds fun...why does he have Black Mark on one version and not the other? did he sell his soul to live forever? maybe he gets Eternal and Black Mark...and maybe something else...Fear? wait until the story is actually fleshed out I guess...but just think about it...

of course not Mays, but tell his backstory and the relation to Guy LaPlante and Lady Baptiste...maybe there are little Montanas running around and becoming Pirates...maybe Lady Baptiste was captured and they're looking for her? Maybe Guy took her back to France...

Tariq would be a bit like Castro I'd guess, settled down a bit in his old age and taken up life as a Royal Court advisor or something...maybe he's negotiated a treaty of sorts with the Corsairs...could be fun.

Mycron and Gold I'm not really feeling...Gold has 3 versions already...Mycron maybe, but there are better choices for English...like Owen and Countess Doone...whatever happened with that?

Runestones might be fun as a UT that says "When revealed, place this treasure face up on this island." and then has some cool ability that can only be used by ships docked at the island...something mystical...maybe "Once per turn, instead of giving one of your ships docked at this island an action, you may give an action to an enemy ship." just suggesting...

[marhawkman]

Maybe a Daughter of Hermione Gold? Perhaps as an American?

Hmm... I like admiral's runestone idea. Maybe make it so the treasure can't be revealed unless docked? that ability's a neat idea for a runestone. I like the idea of having more than one. It's not like the Norse only made one runestone. Maybe have one that gives the fear effect to whatever ship or island it's located on?

I wanna expand the Viking faction because the other side of my ancestry has been featured in EVERY set of pirates ever made.... the Norse got relegated to a one-of....

Hehe... if we do get the printing ironed out we'll need to make the set before we could print it. I really don't see why we can't make little bits of stuff for all of the factions that have been printed.