Sariouriel
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Post by Sariouriel on Jul 26, 2009 9:43:22 GMT -5
Well, Napoleonic Wars is a nice period to base on. Battle of Trafalgar, in fact, is like a "mine of ships", with over 50 vessels taking part in the conflict. Who needs more? If so, that www.napoleonguide.com/navyind.htm might be useful.
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Post by lord_denton on Jul 26, 2009 12:26:07 GMT -5
One period does represent all the factions: The American Revolution, which, in the latter years, bordered on becoming a World War.
The Americans and their fledging Continental Navy, and Privateers savaged Brittish trade.
Brittain, although most of her officers were "mediocre" and her fleet laying in rotten row, had some good very leadership in Admirals Richard "Black Dick" Howe, George Rodney and Samuel Hood.
The French had rebuilt there fleet, and produced many fine ships. There new policy was a definsive war, and sought to live to fight another day, opposed to the fight it out Brittish strategy.
Spain joined in against Brittain, although the Spanish ships "all sail so badly they can neither overtake an enemy nor escape from one" A French officer admitted.
I believe the Dutch joined in at some point against Brittain as well.
I got alot of this from the lovely old book "The American Heritage; Book of the Revolution". Although its old and the naval section but a chapter, its very well done.
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Sariouriel
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Post by Sariouriel on Jul 26, 2009 17:45:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Pirates of the Revolution already exists, but remaking it is a nice idea, though.
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Post by lord_denton on Jul 26, 2009 17:49:34 GMT -5
Yeah, thats the only downpoint. Although, only a small fraction of the peices were historical (and they were mostly only historical in name. The Bonhomme Richard was actualy a up-gunned Indiaman ), and some were ships after the Revolution. So, maybe a return to the Revolution is in order? (Revolution is one of the most popular Wizkids sets)
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Riz
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Post by Riz on Jul 26, 2009 19:48:57 GMT -5
I myself would love to see some love for those factions who didn't get forts or flotillas.
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Post by vladsimpaler on Jul 27, 2009 0:59:32 GMT -5
Why not have a sort of pseudo history period where there are the Dutch, the Americans, and so on and so forth? It doesn't have to be a 'set' historical period. It can be all of them, wrapped into a nice package. But if you want an actual "historical" period, Napoleonics is the way to go. I voted for "other". And Revolutions is only popular because of the insanely overpowered ships. I wouldn't mind a Revolutions like set, as long as it doesn't nerf the Spanish.
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cleverpun
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Post by cleverpun on Jul 27, 2009 2:17:24 GMT -5
While history makes for a good story, we don't really need this set to have any continuity. A number of the WizKids sets had only the barest storyline to accompany them.
As suggested, it might be easier to have a semi-fictional set, with some historical pieces thrown in. (Not unlike PoR ;D)
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Sariouriel
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Post by Sariouriel on Jul 27, 2009 5:20:55 GMT -5
What about reintroducing the new-old characters like Jack Hawkins? Everyone loves Jack Hawkins! (except Disney)
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Post by buckland on Jul 27, 2009 6:08:21 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I myself would love to see some love for those factions who didn't get forts or flotillas.[/glow] Me too.
[glow=red,2,300]It doesn't have to be a 'set' historical period. It can be all of them, wrapped into a nice package.[/glow]
That's what I would do.
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Post by Smitty on Jul 27, 2009 13:08:23 GMT -5
I for one, enjoy the fantasy/fantastical aspect of the series so far. I would like:
- Something similar to the 10 masted junks but not a junk; mega Viking Ship, Submarine, Galleyetc.
- Super-sized Sea-Monster(s)
- More Vikings
- Hypothetical/improbable factions, such as Zulu Nation, Samurai, Neanderthal, etc.
- Ballons, airships
- More Vikings
- More islands with abilities or impacts on play
- Egyptian Undead/Mummy faction
- Did I mention more Vikings?
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Post by Smitty on Jul 27, 2009 13:28:13 GMT -5
A couple more far-fetched but potentially way cool:
- Amazons; i.e., all-female
- Steampunk
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Post by chasseur85 on Jul 27, 2009 15:04:58 GMT -5
I for one support all historical set because
1) I've had enough of the skeletal army of Davy Jones 2) The Cursed were thoroughly useless except for their larger ships. 3) History can be flavorful if fed the right way. 4) Wizkids has given us enough fiction. 5) The storylines will most likely be continued. 6) With NECA purchasing the game, it's most likely they're going to do MORE fiction than you can shake a stick at. 7) No doubt Jack, the Cat, and Phantasma will continue living on in the series, and Blackheart and Bianco and his Haulers. 8) It's more fun playing with ships you now are real instead of some fictional ships.
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Post by admiralb on Jul 27, 2009 15:35:13 GMT -5
wow, lots of crazy stuff...the question was time period...umm...I think a set around Revolution time period would be best, most factions and such...but a 'sequel' to MI/FN would be pretty cool.
I have to agree that Vikings need help. Mercenaries really never should have went away, especially with their Ex-pat keyword, they can be used on any ship.
I like the airship idea, but I don't think it can be pulled off correctly, ever. Their speed, the fact they fly, they have no real cannons and could barely 'attack' as it is in the game.
Old characters are cool...I was really hoping for a new Jack before the game ended...something crazy like Davy Jones powerful, but uniquely pirate and linking to a catamaran or something bizarre.
The Napoleonic era could be interesting...could draw on some 'Master and Commander' stuff. More exploration type stuff for America, since that's mostly what they were doing on the continent at the time (remember Dr. Clark Lewis from FN...how did he get so famous?). Maybe even throw in some Corsairs, there were engagements in the Mediterranean during the era, I'm sure there could have been piracy. Weirdly, the very faction the game is named for could end up getting shafted in this set...piracy was on the decline at the time...we must make sure this doesn't happen in the game
...a set around the American Civil War could work, but Spain and Pirates would be fairly screwed. America, England, France, and any Confederate type would get some nice stuff. This really should only be done if we can do new ship types...so...just think about it and keep it in the back of your mind...maybe a final set in a serious of historical eras.
An Age of Exploration set could be really fun and get back to the roots of the game nicely...the GOLD! There might not be any huge over the top ships, but really how often do you use a 10-mast junk? Even in a real game where gold is all that matters, are 5-masters really useful? Some of my craziest fleets have NOT included 5-masters...I've had fleets of all 1-masters and actually had a real chance of winning. Speed and cargo are so important to the game, the size really doesn't matter as much. And an Age of Exploration set has the chance of doing that...some wicked fast explorer ships would be so much fun and would get serious usage. Plus, there'd be more historical, recognizable names in a set like this that it could attract people that have never played, all school children have heard of Christopher Columbus and many have probably heard of many of the others like Drake, Magellan, Hudson, da Gama. Only problem would be getting America in and some interesting French stuff. Also, ideal for introducing a new faction like Portugal or Dutch since they played bigger roles in this time period than most others.
...IF we were able to do more than one set, we should just do sets in order of time period. Age of Exploration to hook you with big names, fast ships, exploration, adventure, and GOLD! Afterward, you hae to spend your gold and build your Spanish Armada, time period may somewhat overlap with Age of Exploration...make Drake has a second persona in this set with a new ship...he could be a main character type like Jack Hawkins or Blackheart. Continue on into the New World, the beginnings of the American faction, Spanish treasure fleets, rise in piracy. Into the Revolution, but not major since there's already a whole set devoted to it, maybe more European oriented, but in that time period. Then the Napoleonic Era, major sea battles, big sailing ships, big names, fortune and glory are made. War of 1812 overlaps a bit too much with Revolution and Napoleonic Era, but there is some potential. Finally it ends with a Civil War where the age of sail ends with the introduction of ironclads, potential for iron-plated sailing ships, turbines, subs, and ironclads.
...must stop rambling...
there is a lot of cool stuff that could be done. I guess it really depends on what we're trying to do with this set? Introduce a new faction and new players? I'd say an Age of Exploration would work very nicely. Build on existing concepts, make all of those 'should-have-been' ships? Something in the late 18th, early 19th century would be good. Make totally new ship designs, crazy stuff? The other category would fit it best.
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Post by chasseur85 on Jul 27, 2009 17:06:44 GMT -5
wow, lots of crazy stuff...the question was time period...umm...I think a set around Revolution time period would be best, most factions and such...but a 'sequel' to MI/FN would be pretty cool. I have to agree that Vikings need help. Mercenaries really never should have went away, especially with their Ex-pat keyword, they can be used on any ship. I like the airship idea, but I don't think it can be pulled off correctly, ever. Their speed, the fact they fly, they have no real cannons and could barely 'attack' as it is in the game. Old characters are cool...I was really hoping for a new Jack before the game ended...something crazy like Davy Jones powerful, but uniquely pirate and linking to a catamaran or something bizarre. The Napoleonic era could be interesting...could draw on some 'Master and Commander' stuff. More exploration type stuff for America, since that's mostly what they were doing on the continent at the time (remember Dr. Clark Lewis from FN...how did he get so famous?). Maybe even throw in some Corsairs, there were engagements in the Mediterranean during the era, I'm sure there could have been piracy. Weirdly, the very faction the game is named for could end up getting shafted in this set...piracy was on the decline at the time...we must make sure this doesn't happen in the game ...a set around the American Civil War could work, but Spain and Pirates would be fairly screwed. America, England, France, and any Confederate type would get some nice stuff. This really should only be done if we can do new ship types...so...just think about it and keep it in the back of your mind...maybe a final set in a serious of historical eras. An Age of Exploration set could be really fun and get back to the roots of the game nicely...the GOLD! There might not be any huge over the top ships, but really how often do you use a 10-mast junk? Even in a real game where gold is all that matters, are 5-masters really useful? Some of my craziest fleets have NOT included 5-masters...I've had fleets of all 1-masters and actually had a real chance of winning. Speed and cargo are so important to the game, the size really doesn't matter as much. And an Age of Exploration set has the chance of doing that...some wicked fast explorer ships would be so much fun and would get serious usage. Plus, there'd be more historical, recognizable names in a set like this that it could attract people that have never played, all school children have heard of Christopher Columbus and many have probably heard of many of the others like Drake, Magellan, Hudson, da Gama. Only problem would be getting America in and some interesting French stuff. Also, ideal for introducing a new faction like Portugal or Dutch since they played bigger roles in this time period than most others. ...IF we were able to do more than one set, we should just do sets in order of time period. Age of Exploration to hook you with big names, fast ships, exploration, adventure, and GOLD! Afterward, you hae to spend your gold and build your Spanish Armada, time period may somewhat overlap with Age of Exploration...make Drake has a second persona in this set with a new ship...he could be a main character type like Jack Hawkins or Blackheart. Continue on into the New World, the beginnings of the American faction, Spanish treasure fleets, rise in piracy. Into the Revolution, but not major since there's already a whole set devoted to it, maybe more European oriented, but in that time period. Then the Napoleonic Era, major sea battles, big sailing ships, big names, fortune and glory are made. War of 1812 overlaps a bit too much with Revolution and Napoleonic Era, but there is some potential. Finally it ends with a Civil War where the age of sail ends with the introduction of ironclads, potential for iron-plated sailing ships, turbines, subs, and ironclads. ...must stop rambling... there is a lot of cool stuff that could be done. I guess it really depends on what we're trying to do with this set? Introduce a new faction and new players? I'd say an Age of Exploration would work very nicely. Build on existing concepts, make all of those 'should-have-been' ships? Something in the late 18th, early 19th century would be good. Make totally new ship designs, crazy stuff? The other category would fit it best. I agree with ye, that many structures within the game needed help before the collapse, and since it seems as if we can get a theme here, lord_denton should we do a set covering ships from all ages?
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Post by vladsimpaler on Jul 27, 2009 17:27:14 GMT -5
In retrospect, the best idea is to go back the game's roots: Pirates of the Spanish Main.
It was all vaguely historical and realistic, but it had a touch of supernatural flair with El Fantasma, his Ghost Crew, and the Revenant, but even in the end you weren't really sure if they were supernatural or not.
I would like that.
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